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Hey Gates, you and President Eveli Nalatikau are both extensions of the illegal junta in Fiji…..

November 2, 2009

Bloggers, wannabe CJ Gates is so disillusioned he cannot see his own error. He condemns the travel bans imposed by Australia and New Zealand on the judiciary based on the fact, the judiciary is appointed by the illegal President and not the illegal junta, as if that exonerates them of any illegality! Who recommends Judicial appointments to the illegal President? The illegal wannabe AG Ayarse!

Gates, who appointed the illegal President, after the abrogation of the 1997 Constitution, which he strongly defended in his Chandrika Prasad ruling? The illegal President is an extension of the illegal junta, the same as the judiciary and there is no need for a judiciary in Fiji because it an arm of the illegal junta and will rule in their favour all the time.

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I ask Australia and New Zealand to not only continue imposing travel bans on these opportunists, but begin enacting your own domestic laws making it illegal for your own citizens to assist illegal governments like in Fiji!

  • Tui Savu.
  • President.
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16 Comments leave one →
  1. November 2, 2009 7:28 PM

    Well gates, how does it feel having teh hose on the other foot? You are a hopeless, opportunist and I look forward to your rotting in jail.

  2. ex Fiji tourist permalink
    November 2, 2009 11:04 PM

    The lies and untruths of this pathetic fairy have been exposed today for the whole world to see [ again ].

    The NZ government is steadfast in the explanation of their treatment of the illegal wonabee judge. They DID NOT refuse her a visa as they kept her passport whilst they sorted out the compassionate grounds. gates should be thoroughly ashamed of himself for trying to put blame on such a compassionate administration as NZ.

    Maybe the poor poofter’s piles are playing up and he needs to go to NZ for surgery.

    Of course he can’t go to India for his treatment as he knows that he would leave their hospital / butcher shop minus a kidney.

    To make it worse for the irrational lunatic, the Australian govt today refuted his nonsense of them refusing visas for the pathetic fools coming from Ceylon to prop up a failing military junta.

    It was wonderful for the Australian govt to tell these desperate for work idiots that they would not be allowed into Australia once they have taken an illegal oath.

    They have not realised that the international legal system will now black-ball them along with gates and connors.

    Talk about small fish in a big pond.

    Whilst these fools are in Fiji, they may like to explain their part in the killing of so many of their countrymen. Perhaps these pathetic individuals are getting out of Celyon before their crimes catch up with them.

    To sum this missive up, garter clade gates has again been proved to be a fool, an idiot and a liar by the international community.

    Maybe he will respond by citing again the “Magna Carta”.

  3. FRE permalink
    November 3, 2009 9:06 AM

    The error here is the incorrect assumption that ALL court cases are about the government. Although many court cases are about the government, there are far more court cases which do not directly involve the government.

    When I lived in Fiji, I sued a Fiji-based health insurance company in the High Court, with Judge Gates presiding. I won about F$55,000, basically for breach on contract. The case did not directly involve the government. Because the case was reported by the newspapers and on television, probably many readers of this post will recall it.

    If the judicial system were shut down on the theory that it cannot provide justice, then people with legitimate claims not involving the government would be denied their day in court. Obviously that would be wrong.

    Even though judges cannot currently be impartial in cases involving the government, they can still do a good job in other cases. Even though Fiji is under a repressive dictatorship, people should not seek to hamper the ability of the judicial system to deal with cases not involving the government.

    Assuming that ALL judges and magistrates are lackies of the dictatorship is incorrect. No doubt some are lackies, but some are dedicated to the cause of justice and are working under very difficult circumstances. Those who are honest and dedicated to justice should be encouraged to continue in their work.

  4. FRE permalink
    November 3, 2009 9:16 AM

    On a related mater, what does the assumed sexual orientation of Judge Gates have to do with anything? It is totally, completely, and entirely irrelevant. People should be evaluated on their sense of fair play, love and respect for others, and their concern for social justice. Mud slinging has no place in a civilized country. Rather, mud slinging casts doubt on the ability of the mud slinger to think clearly, fairly, and objectively.

    It’s interesting that people in Fiji seem to see nothing wrong with some of the “heroes” in Fiji who are unfaithful to their wives and who have irresponsibly fathered children with several women, yet these same people cast aspersions at people who are romantically interested in those of the same gender.

  5. Mark Manning permalink
    November 3, 2009 10:28 AM

    FRE
    Some true points you’ve made and some a little incorrect, I feel !
    A person’s sexuality doesn’t have any bearing on the matter, but it’s understandable that the people who are affected by the coup, would get irrational in their arguments and even over emotional, to the point where, well, they just miss the point entirely.
    After all, many have lost their livelihoods and jobs, had their pensions all but destroyed, or even lost their homes !
    Not to mention the decrease in Government Services and the feeling of impending doom for their Society, Culturally and Financially.
    During this same period of Social upheaval, the Judges etc. whom you seem to be supporting, have seen fit to line their own pockets at the expense of others, and yet others will not even consider taking part while Fiji remains under a Dictatorship, and nor should they !

    Now, as for the Judges, Magistrates and Lawyers who have decided to take an Illegal Oath to serve under an Illegal Regime, in so doing, this act in itself immediately creates the impression that they themselves are not men of honour !
    So how can, and why should Society entrust unto them, an honest interpretation of the Laws of Parliament, when they are themselves guilty of breaking the very same Laws which they are duty bound to uphold under the Constitution ?
    I suggest that you ask Tui or another credible Lawyer, Magistrate or Judge outside of Fiji or one who didn’t take a post from the Regime and ask them, what are the obligations of these same people who purport to be the stalwarts of the Fijian Community and it’s Laws under the Constitution of the Republic of the Islands of Fiji !
    I want to point out to you here also, that many Judges during the Nazi Germany era of the 1930’s to the 1940’s, were found to have acted illegally and that they had in fact abandoned the very Laws they said they upheld !
    Many innocent people were sent to their deaths consequently and many others were enslaved and tortured as a result of their twisted view of what they believed was the correct interpretation of Justice.
    You may recall the Nuremberg trials, dramatised by the following Movie with the late Spencer Tracey and the late Burt Lancaster and it’s closing scene. :-

  6. FRE permalink
    November 3, 2009 11:36 AM

    Mark,

    I understand your positions. We both agree that the sexual orientation of a judge is not relevant, although we both understand that some people will make it an issue even though they should not. I made a low key effort to deal with that when I lived in Fiji.

    Regarding oaths, etc., you are probably technically correct. However, the people of Fiji do need a functioning judicial system. Surely you don’t think that they should be denied a functioning judicial system because the country is under a dictatorship. What, then, do you see as a way to provide the people with a judicial system while the country is ruled by a military dictator?

    If I were a judge or magistrate in Fiji, I’d be torn between my desire to provide judicial services and the need to avoid signing a statement that I found unacceptable. Judges and magistrates were forced to choose between two unacceptable options, and I for one am not about to pass judgment on how they dealt with it. Almost certainly some were able to sign the oath with no reservations, but I suspect that judge Gates and some others really struggled and spent sleepless nights before deciding to sign. We live in a world in which it is sometimes necessary to choose among the lesser of evils.

    I left Fiji in 2004 and returned to the U.S. because I became increasingly uneasy about the fact that if I experienced a medical emergency, perhaps from an accident, that I would not be able to get adequate emergency medical care. Of course that is another issue. However, I have since followed events in Fiji to the extent possible considering the strict censorship.

  7. Mark Manning permalink
    November 3, 2009 11:52 AM

    FRE
    Yes I get your points and agree mostly !
    But although many Lawyers, like the Soldiers etc. have to put bread on the table and may have been caught between a rock and a hard place or even feel duty bound to continue in their capacity as lawyers, i feel they could also have opted to leave Fiji, where many had no choice but to stay.
    They are after all, well educated people I suspect and unlike many in Fiji, wouldn’t have trouble finding other employment, at least until the crisis in Fiji is resolved.
    I’m not judging anyone, if anything, I’m confused, given Justice Gates previous stand on the Constitution etc.

  8. FRE permalink
    November 3, 2009 12:14 PM

    Mark,

    Judge Gates probably could easily have left Fiji, especially considering that he is a citizen of Australia. But perhaps he felt that by staying, he would be more effective in providing justice to people living in Fiji than would someone who would have replaced him. In my case in the High Court, he had no qualms about ruling in my favor and against a locally managed medical insurance company, and probably that ruling was not in his best interests. And I doubt that he has much to gain personally by remaining a judge.

    Obviously we cannot read the minds of others to determine their motives, and I don’t know what I would have done if I had been in the same position.

    You may have read my full-page article in the Fiji Times. It was titled, “Why Democracy?” and was published in the year 2000. In it, I carefully explained why we have democratic governments, what their advantages are, and what the problems are with non-democratic governments. Here is a link to the article:

    http://www.fijihosting.com/pcgov/docs_o/eggers_democracy.htm

    Whether the article accomplished anything is unclear. But it is clear that unless the people of Fiji become much better educated about how beneficial governments function, the country probably will never be well-governed.

  9. Mark Manning permalink
    November 3, 2009 1:06 PM

    Thanks for that, I’ll bookmark the article to read later, and I agree, Fiji’s Democracy is evolving as someone said here earlier, but ever so slowly.

  10. ex Fiji tourist permalink
    November 4, 2009 9:48 AM

    Once again the Fiji ‘sun’ gets an award for comedy.

    Their ‘editorial’ was obviously written by injustice gates; nobody else could be so stupid.

    Hang on; maybe it was bananasinpyjamas. After all, he did say this in the sun,

    “” Bainimarama said diplomats could face the same treatment as the Australian and New Zealand High Commissioners.
    Especially for these two countries who have never given any assistance to our country,” said Bainimarama.:

    Gee, I always thought that Australia gave millions of dollars to Fiji each year.

    Maybe the fool meant that Australia does not give ‘him’ any money and that ‘he’ is Fiji.

  11. ofa permalink
    November 4, 2009 11:34 AM

    Sexual orientation should be private as long as no law is broken. What about all these rumors that Gates is into child porn and sex with underage boys? They have been around for quite a while and they may well be a reason why Gates cannot go to Australia where you can be prosecuted for sex crimes committed elsewhere.

  12. FRE permalink
    November 4, 2009 1:22 PM

    Rumors mean nothing. Any judge will, after working for a while, have enemies; there is no way around it. And some enemies have no principals. They will say anything.

    The fact is that the majority of adults, regardless of sexual orientation, are not attracted to children. Also, some gay persons are not even sexually active, just as some heterosexuals are not sexually active.

    And who says that Judge Gates cannot go to Australia? He’s been in Fiji for many years, since well before the most recent coup. If he were wanted for a crime in Australia, presumably he would already have been extradited to Australia. Considering that Fiji is not a financially independent country and has in the past received considerable aid from Australia, if he had been wanted for a crime in Australia, Australia could have applied considerable pressure to Fiji to extradite him. Perhaps he has traveled to Australia a few times. How would we know?

    Judge Gates was the judge when I sued Blue Shield Pacific in the High Court in Lautoka. I was very favorably impressed with him. Nothing escaped his attention.

    I am very familiar with ugly rumors. Here in the U.S., some people actually believe that president Obama was born in Kenya, is not a U.S. citizen, and therefore is not qualified to be president. Some people believe rumors that he is a closeted Muslim. There are rumors about all people in the public eye and, while some rumors could be true, most are probably false.

  13. saqaniwarrior permalink
    November 4, 2009 3:16 PM

    Gates is poofter and I am coming after him here in Fiji and when I get him he will be cooked in the fijian lovo

  14. November 4, 2009 10:42 PM

    Make sure you clean his bowels first.

  15. Navosavakadua permalink
    November 5, 2009 5:54 PM

    @FRE

    You are right in saying there are all sorts of rumours against public figures. That’s very true in the case of Laisenia Qarase. The problem is not one of them has been proven yet, even though it’s nearly three years since the clean-up coup. Worst of all, the coup that apparently responded to these rumours has brought nothing but ruin and ridicule to the nation.

  16. FRE permalink
    November 5, 2009 8:32 PM

    Navo,

    I though that that it was rather obvious that Qarase used undue influence to win his election. In particular, he provided agricultural equipment and other things to villagers to induce them to vote for him. The first thing that alarmed me about him was that when he was appointed, he clearly stated that he was interim only and that he would not be running for election, but then he did run for election.

    We had a somewhat similar situation here in the U.S. Gerald Ford became president when Nixon was driven out of office in the Watergate scandal, and the VP had been charged with corruption. Ford said that he would not run for election, but he did, then lost to Carter. I hoped that the world’s people would learn from that that even the most powerful man in the world could be forced out of office for unethical and illegal actions.

    As I stated in a post in another thread and also in this thread, the basic problem in Fiji is that too few people understand the benefits of democratic governments, how they should function, and the role of citizens. The schools in Fiji do not educate students on such matters. To exacerbate matters, learning in schools in Fiji tends to be by rote memory and, although students absorb a huge quantity of facts, typically they do not learn to think. A few irrepressible souls survive the Fiji school system without having their brains totally numbed, but most seem to have any sense of independence destroyed. Until that changes, I see little hope for Fiji.

    Schools in Fiji seem to be oriented towards providing marketable skills and knowledge, but not much concerned with teaching students to think independently, clearly, and objectively. But, unless there is a stable government that operates in the best interests of the people, marketable skills and knowledge will be of limited use.

    Here in the U.S., many our colleges ( which are not high schools, but are small tertiary schools) and universities are VERY selective in admitting students. Many will not admit high-scoring applicants unless they also demonstrate leadership and other abilities in extra-curricular activities. Our better high schools have many extra curricular activities available, such as drama clubs, debate teams, school orchestras, etc. These activities provide students with the ability to exercise leadership, work with other people, etc,. and are considered to be an important part of education. So far as I know, these things are rarely available in Fiji and therefore, although students in Fiji may be thoroughly crammed with facts, they are not well-rounded. The results are not good. Even the projects assigned by schools in Fiji have limited value because students often, instead of doing original work, simply edit what other students have done and pass it off as original. Don’t ask me how I know!!

    Although it would be difficult, and perhaps even impossible, I suggest working to expand the school curricula to include studies on the various types of governments and the responsibilities of citizens. They should also study logic, philosophy, how propaganda works, and history. Those subjects may not seem to provide marketable knowledge, but they are necessary to teach people to think clearly and logically, abilities which are essential to enabling Fiji to have a stable and beneficial government.

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