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The Methodist Church abdicating its moral responsibility in Fiji’s hour of great need….

August 1, 2009

Folks, Bainimarama’s Road Map for Fiji in 2014 ain’t democracy, but the total militarization of Fiji, so why are we kidding ourselves! Some of the blog sites are happy the Methodist Church has moved away from pressing the issue and now kowtow to Bainimarama’s demands. We read the Church will traditionally inform the Gone Marama Bale na Roko Tui Dreketi, no Conference will be held this year.

If this is true, then the Methodist Church has yet again failed the Gone Marama Bale and the people of Fiji. Ro Temumu is now deserted facing court alone, whilst the Methodist Church Ministers can return home to the warmth of their beds.

The Methodist Church has been duped folks and if you too think this was a good move, then I think you have been duped as well. I stand to be corrected, but all the signs I see point to the total militarisation of Fiji and not democracy, so why all these concessions!

Leopards do not shred their spots people! It will be too late to resist this illegal junta folks in the future because at that time, the great majority of the people would have lost faith in the Methodist Church.

I would like to go on record and say the Methodist Church made a grave strategic error and will live to regret this day when it:

  1. backed down,
  2. abiding by an illegal court directive and
  3. kowtowing to the ursurper’s dictate on what they can and can’t do.
  4. How far are they willing to compromise before they decide to stand up for what is right and just?

No wonder Fiji finds itself in this quagmire because Fijian Institutions and Leaders, who supposedly are supposed to be the bulwark of Fijians such as the Great Council of Chiefs and the Methodist Church, are too busy trying to be ‘politically correct’ yet turning a blind eye to the gross injustice, illegaility, nepotism, corruption, lies, misappropriation, mismanagement, etc happening all around them!

In effect, the Methodist Church in doing nothing about sin and evil has inadvertently helped sin and evil to prevail and the Church has become a partaker with them. (Ephesians 5:7) and this is the state of affairs Edmund Burke warned about and I quote:

“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing”

Tui Savu.
President.
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31 Comments leave one →
  1. Lima permalink
    August 1, 2009 3:07 AM

    Vinaka Tui for the strong comments, just what is needed for these illegals but someone told me that the time has come for us to play them at their own game and after reading this article in the Fiji Times I think the Methodist are doing just that. I don’t know what do you think?

    Who said we the people cannot follow the standing committee to officially inform the vanua that there will be no conference.

    They have already increased it from 32 members to 53 heads of the different divisions. That Tui, is a lot of divisions and a lot of people make up 1 division. Just wait and see but great fight back and that is what we want.

    No conference
    By TIMOCI VULA
    Saturday, August 01, 2009

    THE Methodist Church has decided not to go ahead with its annual conference this year.

    This was confirmed to the Fiji Times yesterday by church assistant general secretary Reverend Tevita Banivanua.

    This is the second time the annual conference has been put on hold, the first following the coup in 1987.

    Former church president Reverend Laisiasa Ratabacaca will lead a seven-member standing committee delegation to officially inform the vanua of Rewa, which was to have hosted the conference.

    Mr Banivanua said the church will now expand the current 32-member standing committee to include all heads of the 53 divisions to discuss issues usually tabled at the annual conference.

    “We have only two legal frameworks that approve decisions for the church – the standing committee and the annual conference. Since there will be no conference, we have no choice but to expand the standing committee,” he said.

    The expanded standing committee will meet according to the scheduled dates of the conference this month.

    “The choir competition and soli will be held in various divisions,” Mr Banivanua said.

    He said the decision to cancel the conference stemmed from directives from the State and the fact that church ministers were being arrested for breaching the public emergency regulation.

    “It even went to the extent where the voice of the church was prohibited from being highlighted in the newspapers and airwaves, for instance our radio programme Raici Jisu Matua that airs every Sunday on Radio Fiji One,” he said.

    “This is why the church decided to hold back on this year’s conference.”

    Church executives met State officials on Tuesday in a “cordial meeting” which agreed to reintroduce the church’s Sunday radio programme.

    Without the conference, Mr Banivanua, said the church’s coffers would suffer.

    He said the church collects about $800,000 at its annual conference.

    “That will be revised downwards significantly and the onus will on the members for their support,” Mr Banivanua said. “We will also be doing some tightening of our budget for the programmes funded by the church.”

    He said members from the US and Australia, invited to open and close the conference, would still come to participate in the choir competition and offer their soli.

    “We live by faith and believe God will find other ways to achieve what we want to achieve,” Mr Banivanua said.

  2. Berny permalink
    August 1, 2009 3:14 AM

    If the Methodist church chooses the path of cowardice at this time when Fiji looks upon her for its imminent liberation from the rule of the usurper and his illegal government, then as Tui Savu has correctly warned above, Fiji will never ever be the same again.

    The way forward was made clear through the courageous act of the Gone Marama Bale.

    I also repeat what has been said : “The Methodist Church has inadvertently helped SIN AND EVIL TO PREVAIL and the CHURCH HAS BECOME A PARTAKER WITH THEM. (Ephesians 5:7)”

    I also add: The Church shall be weakened and shall be made to serve the Anti-Christ and his evil servants who have been given his power to rule Fiji! Poor blind fools! Poor blind fools!

  3. Free Fiji permalink*
    August 1, 2009 4:11 AM

    Bloggers, what happens when the illgeal junta prohibits the Standing Committee from convening? I am afraid a lot of the Methodist Church Ministers have never had their faith tested with physical violence and Fiji’s future expects them to pass this test with flying colours, even if it means prison, maiming and even death!

  4. orion permalink
    August 1, 2009 4:24 AM

    Agree. Agree. But Fijians must think and work hard to get out of this mess. its not impossible.Dont rely only on methodist church. Must organise marshal support from all fronts. Cant neutralise this animal with one single approach, or just political pressure and good will. Also perhaps methodist church can take their cue from “joel’s Army”. Just google “Joel’s Army” & you’ll find out how other chrustians and approaching and dealing with their adversaries abroad. Sara Palin ( former US VP hopefi\ul) was part of it. SO there you go, try something else people.

  5. abeche permalink
    August 1, 2009 5:35 AM

    This is probably one of the saddest day in Fiji – who else can the people turn too for some real leadership?

    The Roko Tui Dreketi has just been insulted by these morons who have made this announcement without alerting the Lady so that she could have at least tried to salvage her position with regards to the illegal regime’s court case.

    The whole of Fiji, those who have been waiting to see the end of this regime, now see the begining of the consolidation of this despot’s rule. Things are going to be even worse for the Fijian people and those of other races in Fiji.

    For the Methodist Church, I believe that if they had proceeded with what they had been saying, then there was a real likelihood that those who were left in the Church may have remained members of the CHurch. I see more and more Fijians now flocking to the New Methodist becasue this is the Church that appears to be doing something postitive for its members. The Methodists have just given up and no reason given by them can excuse them from the great betrayal of their flock.

    What a sad, sad day for Fiji. Frank and his Goons have won, they will continue the rape of the economy and wll continue to pillage the FNPF to fund their illegal regime and what are people doing? Nothing.

    Where are Qarase, Mick Beddoes and other leaders? It is time they started standing up and beging to organize their organizations to start civil disobedience etc, etc. How long are people going to wait for? Till the economy collapses around them?

    All FIji Citizens deserve what they get for not rising up to protect what is theirs, but more then that, ther are no leaders left to look after the ordinary people!!!

    What a sad day indeed!!

  6. vb4fj4eva permalink
    August 1, 2009 6:23 AM

    it is about time some people with the best interest of fiji and the methodist ‘flock’ take control of the church. we have had enough of these self serving self glorifying lot that have now thankfully been prohibited by law to take any active part in future decisions regarding the church. for those of you deluded brain dead blind to the reality nationalists that think frank is anything but the true savior of fiji, wake up to the reality that we are for once heading towards a society in fiji that will be a reflection of the will of christ. it was the qarase government with the support of the power hungry glory seeking methodist leaders who were sending fiji to the dogs spending every last dollar they could get their grubby hands on like drunken horney sailors. it is no wonder that when the heat gets turned on these monkets run and hide. they never were and never will be true leaders. all they want is the big pajero, people kissing their arses at every step, the good life and no interest in what is the true calling of o church leader who would sacrifice their all for the comfort of their ‘flock’. – GOOD RIDDANCE TO THESE MONKEYS … I PRAY THAT WE CAN NOW HAVE TRUE SERVANTS OF GOD LEADING HIS ‘FLOCK’

  7. ex Fiji tourist permalink
    August 1, 2009 6:54 AM

    A sad day indeed but it need not be binding.

    Just because the green goons lock up a dozen ministers and a puppet magistrate says they can’t speak to others, this doesn’t mean that these good folk are out of the equation.

    The cowardly announcement from the meeting held yesterday has no standing with the methodist church as the full committee was not allowed to be present.

    Those few ‘Judases’ present sold out the church.

    How could these puppets say that the church will obey bananasinptjamas when the leadership was not allowed to be present?

    Tevita Banivanua will be remembered for having the same lack of moral leadership as the cowardly former puppet president.

    I wonder what monetary incentive [ or threat of physical harassment ] could have shoved into Tevita Banivanua’s face to make him say these cowardly things against the leadership of his church.

  8. SORO permalink
    August 1, 2009 7:52 AM

    Vinaka Tui – the Methodist Church in Fiji in 2009 will forever be remembered as :

    COWARDS
    TOTALLY LACKING IN MORAL FIBRE
    RUDDERLESS
    GUTLESS
    SPINELESS
    FOOLS
    JUDAS “s

    I hope this current leadership rot in hell!

  9. ex Fiji tourist permalink
    August 1, 2009 9:24 AM

    Soro,

    I reiterate my point; the leadership of the Methodist church was not allowed by the guns of the jaundiced junta to be at the meeting yesterday.

    It was the reserves in the back row of previous meetings who were threatened with arrest and with intimidation of their families who bent their knees to the junta.

    The large majority of Methodists oppose the corrupt, inept dictatorship.

  10. SViade~ permalink
    August 1, 2009 11:08 AM

    Isa I feel sad…!!

  11. gdevreal permalink
    August 1, 2009 11:34 AM

    Does this mean that there has been a coup within the Methodist church?
    The way this thing is shaping up it appears that women and all other races are being sidelined.

    How can people follow the likes of Mataitini instead of Ro Teimumu?

  12. gdevreal permalink
    August 1, 2009 11:37 AM

    Recall that deal that Chamberlain made with Hitler?
    I believe he made a pact with the Russians too, broke it, and had his army wiped out by God (the Russion winter).
    Will winter come to Fiji?

  13. Berny permalink
    August 1, 2009 11:20 PM

    Cowardice is the one who forsakes the cause of right to win the approval of the disapproving wrong.

    Cowardice bids one to live as a slave rather than fight and die as a free man. Could the one that refuses to assist one who is in bondage be a coward?

    Cowardice reasons, cowardice calculates; cowardice not only counts the cost of doing battle, but deems the cost of freedom and justice too high.

    Cowardice submits to tyrants. Cowardice is the forsaker of women and children. Are there any cowards here?

    Zealot….this sin ranks alone as the most vile and villainous.

  14. Berny permalink
    August 1, 2009 11:25 PM

    YES MOST DEFINITELY.. WE HAVE A HERO IN THE MARAMA GONE BOLE AND WE HAVE THE METHODIST CHURCH WHO HAVE BETRAYED HER WITH 30 PIECES OF SILVER!

  15. Viti permalink
    August 1, 2009 11:56 PM

    In the last couple of weeks we have gone through mix emotions but what the Methodist Church has done after the courageous act of defiance by the Roko Tui Dreketi is a big let down.

    We relied on the lawyers but they let us down and now we have our last hope obeying orders from the illegal regime.

    Bravo to Ro Teimumu and all of us that will stand by her until democracy has been restored. It will as we all know the Lord works in mysterious way.

    It happened in Germany after Hitler and the Germans have said; “never again” it will also happen in Fiji.

  16. August 2, 2009 4:46 AM

    I would have hoped that the Catholic Church had shown its support for Ro Teimumu. But we have not even heard any support at all from the Catholic Church who, I have heard, would not want to indulge in anything political just because of some illegal decrees. They do not want to participate in anything involving politics.

    I sure do feel sorry for Ro Teimumu. The Methodist Church has just shown itself to be a spineless, toothless institution filled with people who just can talk but can’t walk the talk. And there is the Catholic Church whose support will be greatly doubted as it is common knowledge that its leader was one of the two Chairpersons of the NCBBF thus cementing its support for the government of the day.

    Everybody knows the real reason for the 2006 coup was to protect Bainimarama from being taken to court for the misuse of the Regimental Fund, the involvement of the CRW soldiers in the 2000 coup and the deaths of the CRW soldiers at the mutiny up in Nabua. He knew right from 2003 that there were concrete evidences against him with the Police Commissioner and life imprisonment was the only penalty available to the court for people like him. He then started to attack the SDL government and all its policies to distract attention away from him.

    His opposition to the Qoliqoli Bill and the Reconciliation Bill, his reason for the removal of corruption from government, the Electoral Process, the race issue, etc etc etc were all just a smoke screen to try and persuade the people of Fiji that the SDL Government and its policies were not legitimate and should be kicked out. He knew that as long as the SDL Government was in power there is always the real possibility that sooner or later he will be joining George Speight in Naboro. So the SDL Government just had to go.

    Now, for the people of Fiji to believe in all the reasons given above, it is then no small wonder that any new religion, church, or people like Dr. Angco who arrives on our shores tend to rise sharply in membership terms. It is because it’s just too easy to “vesu” the minds of the Fijian people (vesu mona). It is shocking that even the educated ones are easily brainwashed. It gives a picture of people who are lost and do not know whether they are coming or going. In the case of Bainimarama, any outsider will definitely be amazed that people actually believe in this guy and all his promises knowing full well that he changes reasons for the coup faster than the Concorde in full flight.

    The Roko Tui Dreketi had, herself, gone to Bau during the last Methodist Church Conference to ask that the Rewa Province host the 2009 Conference. It is a task she undertook for the sake of her people who are members of the Methodist Church and one she will defend even in the face danger. No one can therefore blame the Methodist Church for Ro Teimumu’s actions. It was one she choose to undertake for her people. It is no small deed given the fact that the lady is a Catholic and also the paramount chief of the Burebasaga Confederacy. That should have given a hint to the leaders of the Methodist Church of the respect the Gone Marama Bale has for the Christian denomination that brought Christianity to our shores, to her forefathers and also to the Fijian people as a whole. Now that deed has been repaid with the saddest act that the Methodist Church has ever done in its long proud colorful history in Fiji and that is to deny the truth and surrender to the darkness fast enveloping this nation of ours.

    A question we may now ask is,” is there any hope left for Fiji and the Indigenous Fijian race?” I would like to believe that there is still hope for us. We are facing the most crucial moment in our history as an indigenous race as the uniqueness of our culture, our language, the survival of our race is threatened with extinction. The chiefs have given up, the churches have given up and the people of this nation are in a state of confusion as to whom to look to for liberation. In the midst of this confusion stands a brave lady in Ro Teimumu who choose to call a spade a spade and who is a beacon in this darkness for all those who are matured enough to know the difference between good and evil. Unless the Fijian people and all the Christian churches wake up from their long slumber and see the true picture and realize that we have been taken for a long joy ride, the sacrifices of people like Ro Teimumu, sadly, will be lost in the lies that people have been led to believe is the truth.

  17. Viti permalink
    August 2, 2009 5:03 AM

    @ Nasima

    Excellent it brought tears to my eyes but I think you left out the Mara/Nailatikau/Gaunilau and the fact they have no money and this was the only way they could retain the status etc they were born into.

    Ask yourself if they hadn’t supported Frank where would they be today?

  18. Solo permalink
    August 2, 2009 5:17 AM

    Nasima

    A great write up and no one is to blame, not the white man or the Indo Fijians but the “taukei” themselves and like Viti has said the Mara, Nailatikau and Gaunilau chiefs because they have no money to carry on the lifestyle they have become accustomed to.

  19. August 2, 2009 8:01 AM

    @ Viti

    History does not and will never look kindly on people like the Mara/Nailatikau/Ganilau. The luxuries will be shortlived but they will be best remembered for their greed and corrupt deeds. Their chiefly titles have gone into their heads, they think the people of Fiji owe them big time. That Ganilau guy is a descendant of a bastard, that Nailatikau guy is a Tongan through the grandfather and whose father was born out of wedlock. The Mara children’s reputation leaves much to be desired due to the rumours that their father is part-european and is also a bastard.
    We need to be very aware of the circumstances surrounding our existance before we decide to hold the country at ransom just because we think we deserved to be above everybody else because of the service of our fathers to the people of Fiji. What they should remember is that during their time of being civil servants, their fathers were not actually saints. They should be glad that their dirty deeds have always been hidden from the public for the sake of their chiefly titles. But those were the days. Today, we mess up big time, we will mess you up big time. Be very assured of that!!

  20. August 3, 2009 12:16 AM

    I’m just wondering if the Methodist church is the only church in Fiji? What does this say of the other churches? Does God only listen to Methodist church members? Are other churches doing anything too?

  21. August 3, 2009 12:34 AM

    This could be the calm before the storm!

  22. TaTimoci permalink
    August 3, 2009 6:34 AM

    Well, Belijo we could call Archbishop Mataca up and ask him what is the latest with his church? Why is there a deafening silence. Where are the martyrs? What about the other churches?

    Is the current injustice to the nation a problem only with the Methodists and the illegal junta? Why why is everyone so mute?

    They are not acting because they are in agreement with evil and wickedness at work and that is to open the doors wide enough for injustices, lies, greed, corruption, manipulation and control of the minds of the people so that in the end ALL will accept the militarisation strategies that are plotted by the current government.

    Where are the consciences of the pastors, priests, talatalas leading the people? Have they become so blinded by the lies and cunning of this illegal PM that they have lost track of who they are? Where are the shepherds, have they all grown fat and lazy and bend on useless meetings to rake up more money to pamper themselves in their laid-back lifestyles? Shame! Shame! Shame!

    We read your excuses quoting scripture to avoid being the responsible and accountable ministers of God that you are supposed to be. You are fearful of man and not of God. You lead the flock like sheep to the slaughter and this you will dearly pay!

  23. tosotiko permalink
    August 4, 2009 1:10 AM

    The thing to do is to show opposition in any small way we can. One Lauan lady went downtown Suva last week and refused to show up to the ‘Bose ni Yasana’ or whatever that was held then…because as she puts it…”I did not want to contribute to the numbers in case the word gets around that we are all behind the current regime”.

    That is the kind of passive resistance we have to start putting up in our own small way. Remember the Civil Rights for Blacks in America started by one woman Rosa Parks who refused to give up her seat in the bus. That led to the movement that we link with the great Martin Luther King and ‘the rest is history’.

  24. Frida permalink
    August 4, 2009 6:39 AM

    Vinaka Tosotiko, I believe in that small actions that will speak volume. I am again stopping my children from going to the Hibiscus festival. My reason with my children – if we are not allowed to go and enjoy listening to hymns then why should we go to albert part and listen to all kinds of noise that does not make sense.

    I hear there will be a Girmit celebration – for any right thinking Fiji citizen we are not living in times when we can celebrate as our lives are hanging on a balance day in day out as long as the pig and his stooges are in power and dictating how we will have to live our life now which will impact greatly on how our children will live theirs.

  25. kaiveicoco permalink
    August 5, 2009 11:22 PM

    Can people like Tui Savu come back to Fiji and lead us.Perhaps its people like Tui Savu who has decided to migrate to greener pastures rather than the methodist church leaders who have deserted us.

  26. Rosalind Pratt permalink
    August 6, 2009 2:10 AM

    @ tosotiko & Frida

    Thank you and yes some sort of passive resistance.

    For me it was not attending my LPS school reunion held recently and I was able to inform a great number of overseas ex students not to attend as well.

    We however, helped out with the 80th birthday bash of 2 of our ex teachers who taught at the school in the 50s and 60s.

  27. kaiveicoco permalink
    August 6, 2009 4:24 AM

    Rosalind,
    I think you missed out on a lt when you missed the LPS reunion.You should have been there for LPS not for the junta if you wre really that patriotic.It could have been your best chance to confront whoever from the junta was there on what you think and what your opinions are.As they say in French ” se la vie “

  28. Rosalind Pratt permalink
    August 6, 2009 5:51 AM

    @ kaiveicoco

    No thanks and I didn’t miss out on anything. I am not a hypocrite and everyone knows about my strong stance against the illegality of Fiji’s Military Regime.

    However, I did hope that the coup leader when attending the Forum in Tonga would carry out his promise of holding democratic elections before the reunion so my friends and I would attend.

    Yes, I agree with you it would have been a great chance for me to confront Fiji’s illegal VP, his brother and Tom Ricketts but didn’t want to spoil it for two ex LPS teachers, Mrs Clark and Mr George Gibson as they were celebrating their 80th birthdays with their families. I have a lot of respect for these two wonderful people and with my upbringing it would not be acceptable to force my opinions on others at such a happy well deserving occasion. This upbringing is practised and means a lot to me.

    Levuka will always be a happy territory for me and it is not worth me jeopardizing those happy memories for a bunch of ex students who cannot distinguish what is right over wrong.

    I am not stupid, to give these illegal wannabe politicians the satisfaction of picking me up at Nadi Airport, confiscating my Aussie passport and then interrogating me at the camp even before arriving in Levuka. It would also be too traumatic for those that care and love me deeply and I wouldn’t do it to them.

    Don’t worry kaiveicoco organisers of the reunion know how my friends and I did our bit and our contribution to the our school and the present day students. So you see all was not lost!

  29. Baba Kid permalink
    August 6, 2009 6:15 AM

    kaiveicoco

    Real identity please before saying anything about Rosalind. She has done more for LPS than Epeli, Tuki and pato Ricketts.

    I attended the reunion and pathetic the way in which certain people sucked up to those two Bauan chiefs that have no money and no land.

  30. Adi Kalavata permalink
    August 7, 2009 2:45 AM

    @ kaiveicoco

    Your comments on Tui Savu and Rosalind stinks with sarcasm.

    These two have done and are still doing as much as they can for the cause as well as trying to earn a living and taking care of their respective families.

    Tui and Rosalind with their families had well and truly established themselves in a democratic country of their choice long before Bainimarama’s 2006 coup.

    Why should Tui give it all up to lead the likes of you to fight a lunatic dictator who wil not reason with anyone?

    A lot of us are happy for our overseas brothers and sisters to keep doing what they are doing and that is keep the pressure on Frank and his military regime. This is tremendous support and we should be grateful and not expect anymore.

    There are a lot of ways one can resist the military regime and that is what this is all about.

    People are going to Lomanikoro to see Ro Teimumu even after being told that they would be stopped and arrested. So far no one has been arrested and Ro Teimumu has had people visiting her and contributing a few dollars for her legal fees. Why should she shoulder the unnecessary legal fees when her act of defiance was done for all our sakes.

    Think before you make sarcastic comments as your lack of respect for SWM’s president and one of its board members is uncalled for.

    Sadly, sa rui levu na vei vei levu in Fiji.

    Why don’t you go to a Methodist Church service this Sunday wearing a “T shirt” with these words on it; “Please Methodist leaders don’t desert us. We need you to take us out of this mess.”

    That kaiveicoco is “passive resistence and if you mean well you wouldn’t push your dirty work on anyone else especially those living overseas.

  31. kaiveicoco permalink
    August 7, 2009 11:23 PM

    thank you Adi Kalavata I will take your advise i will attend church at Centenary Church this sunday.I will read the bible and pray ” please Lord give us strength and courage to endure all that is going on in Fiji right now”.Please Adi Kaila read psalm 118 vs 8 along with me this sunday.

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