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Obama and Bainimarama

January 31, 2009

Listening to the recorded interviews of Voreqe talking about the proposed Forum Ban and also his message to the soldiers at Delainabua and then this evening I am replaying Obama’s Inauguration Address and all I can say when comparing the two was that it was Arse versus Class.

Vore, please take a word of advice. Replay some of Obama’s speech, there are a million on youtube.com and try and emulate some of his speaking techniques. It will go a long way in helping people listern to you.

Also look at how Qarase speaks and try and get an ounce of humility from there.

But then again $183,000 back pay!!!!  Stealing Fiji Holdings prime real estate at Kavika Place!!!! Cash purchase of a house at Howell Road!!!

Considering that you did not own a house prior toe executing the 2006 coup, you are just a common thief when compared to Qarase.

 

Posted by Rusi Varani for SWM

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  1. OjO permalink
    January 31, 2009 9:35 PM

    “Fair and balanced journalism: let every idiot with an uninformed (if not wilfully ignorant) opinion have a voice”

    While the aforesaid is true it appears our proclivity to castigate anyone and almost everyone has and will have a profound effect on our intended purpose.

    If anyone among you on the ground there in Fiji have any journalistic investigative skills it may pay to investigate the FHL (Fijian Holdings Saga) and report back.

    Information’s are readily available from the Companies Registry or the Hansard (The Senate Records) there you find rather disturbing records of how the elites of Fiji has misappropriated public funds for their personal use.

    Here is a question I would like to pose to all honest bloggers: How is it each province has $50, 0000 shares as oppose to those elitists having in excess of $100,000 and $200, 0000 respectively?

    Now before you all go off on a tangent and start accusing me of this that and the other it may pay to do your home work, for most if not all has some form of blind allegiance me included.

  2. Viti permalink
    January 31, 2009 10:14 PM

    This is the type of governance we will see from the illegal junta as Fiji is no doubt a dictatorship.

    If we don’t go to Parliamentary elections, Fiji will be isolated and Bai will remain a lonely, frustrated, isolated, demented dictator for the rest of his miserable life!

    I said before taukeis own 83% of the land so start planting and go back to living in bures.

  3. LUVfiji permalink
    January 31, 2009 10:38 PM

    Oh pooee! Sounds like Viti’s given in!

  4. Viti permalink
    January 31, 2009 11:01 PM

    No LUVfiji – will never give in just being realistic.

    I will fight to the end because I believe that coups are an act of treason and these guys are criminals and should be accountable for their actions.

    I believe in the Qarase Govt because it was the elected govt by the people for the people.

    I have joined the SWM for the smart strategies they have to offer and will try to be an active member.

    My last sentence was said with sarcasm but felt good about it because it is factual and building bures shouldn’t be a problem with us if the worse comes to the worse.

    You also have a blessed Sunday!

    “Bai & Obama” no comparison.
    “Arse V Class”
    Bavulu ta sokulu va vinaka compared to someone who became a lawyer and has a very good command of the English Language.

  5. Mark Manning permalink
    January 31, 2009 11:33 PM

    He’s not just a common thief , he’s allegedly implicated in the murders of several CRW soldiers in 2000 and civilians since December 2006 and their torture and abduction , he’s a terrorist and guilty of a treasonous act against his own people . He has no allegiance , except to money , power and himself , i wouldn’t be surprised if he would murder his own wife and kids if it suited him .

  6. OjO permalink
    February 1, 2009 12:38 AM

    Mark Manning:

    Spoken like a true peculator, while the Qarase’s Government was busy suffocating the nation with their greed you on the other hand amassed a fortune at the expense of the grass roots people.

    Now how do you feel, witnessing all that has beset my people you sick fuck.

  7. Adi Kalavata permalink
    February 1, 2009 12:46 AM

    @ LUVfiji

    With this letter one could easily think Kenneth Zinck has given up the fight as well.

    I for one know, he’ll never give in until Fiji has a democractically elected govt.

    Army audit

    WE are being told that the election will be held in five or 10 years.

    All right, if that is the truth, can we at least have the Auditor-General audit all government spending including the army’s regimental fund since December 2006 and make them public via the media?

    You can stay in power as long as you want to but annually publish the Auditor-General’s report for good governance and transparency sake which you claim to stand for.

    How’s that for a deal?

    KENNETH ZINCK
    Samabula

  8. Admin2 permalink
    February 1, 2009 1:11 AM

    OjO

    Solivakasama World Wide Pro Democracy Movement is just that a Pro Democracy Movement – we are all for Democracy the legal way and not the Bainimarama way.

    We are for the Qarase Govt because like it has been said so many times that it was an elected govt by people for the people.

    If the people thought the Qarase was corrupt etc, in a true democracy they would have had the opportunity to oust him and his party at the next general election.

    This is a blog and Mark Manning is a useful contributor to the cause and doesn’t deserve to be sworn at.

    Please may ask you Mark and others to ignore the above comments as we don’t want to be sidetracked.

    OjO there are other blogs around that would appreciate your run down of the Qarase Govt – we here at SWM don’t!

  9. Admin2 permalink
    February 1, 2009 1:14 AM

    OjO

    Solivakasama World Wide Pro Democracy Movement is just that a Pro Democracy Movement – we are all for Democracy the legal way and not the Bainimarama way.

    We are for the Qarase Govt because like it has been said so many times that it was an elected govt by people for the people.

    If the people thought the Qarase Govt was corrupt etc, in a true democracy they would have had the opportunity to oust him and his party at the next general election.

    This is a blog and Mark Manning is a useful contributor to the cause and doesn’t deserve to be sworn at.

    Please may ask you Mark and others to ignore the above comments as we don’t want to be sidetracked.

    OjO there are other blogs around that would appreciate your run down of the Qarase Govt – we here at SWM don’t!

  10. OjO permalink
    February 1, 2009 2:55 AM

    Yes I may have been harsh in my chastisement of Mark Manning.

    Nevertheless it must be said I am neither pro Bainimarama nor pro Qarase I am pro people for this is where true Democracy lies.

    Far too long such Democratic principle has shifted from the people to unscrupulous politicians so therefore it is pertinent that we should direct our energy towards the great common people of country.

  11. Mark Manning permalink
    February 1, 2009 6:46 AM

    We have to respect each others rights to comment and have differing views as uncomfortable that may be at times , where we appear to differ . I suspect that OjO has misunderstood me in some way . I’m not clear how though . Let’s allow each other to at least have a say , perhaps yes , we should modify our language and maybe not attack each other personally .
    OjO , I’m not Fijian and live in Australia , some on this site know me personally and know this to be true , however , I have been involved with Fijians in one way or another , since just before the 1st . coup . I was as passionate about opposition to that coup as I am this one . I am concerned for Fijians however , if you think you are able to justify Frank and all that he has done . It doesn’t make for a good future at all I’m afraid . As for attacking me , go ahead if it makes you feel better . But I don’t want to stifle debate , like Frank is doing !

  12. Dugong permalink
    February 1, 2009 7:41 AM

    Ojo, Mark Manning has done more for Fiji than you and pathetic Frank’s life put together.

  13. LUVfiji permalink
    February 1, 2009 7:45 AM

    Thats great @Viti. I obviously misunderstood you.

    @Adi Kalavata. That sounds more like a challenge from Zinck knowing too well Vore will never allow the audit of Regimental Funds. Wouldnt that be uncovering Eveli G’s dirt. Oilei.. e rau sa ucui koya ga o i rau na luvena qase – o Tui (Punja) vatakei na ganena o Toila.

  14. LUVfiji permalink
    February 1, 2009 7:46 AM

    Oh by-the-by.. luv the new avatars!

    Lookin’ great SWM!

  15. Viti permalink
    February 1, 2009 8:14 AM

    LUVfiji – that’s the spirit!

    Agree with you about Kenneth – up to one of his tricks again – he is never boring that is for sure.

    As for Tui and Koila what can we say – children are the reflection of their parents.

    SWM totoka the new avatars!

    Everything about the site is brillant – enjoy comming in here to discuss and learn stuff.

  16. EnufDictatorship permalink
    February 1, 2009 10:02 AM

    Obama from Earth….

    Bainimarama from Pooh-poohland!!!!

    and why do these academics keep running around in circles with excuses, like this Price guy frm ANU…(http://www.fijilive.com/news_new/index.php/news/show_news/13221)

    “We know that it’s very likely Fiji’s indigenous leader, (Laisenia) Qarase, would win an election, simply for demographic reasons, but that would not be accepted by the Indian Fijians so he would be overthrown all over again.

    “It’s a vicious cycle, a very sad one, and one that seems hard to escape, but (Voreqe) Bainimarama himself will eventually go.”

    Why can’t they just say this – VOREQE AND THE FIJI MILITARY OR NAVY MUST GO!!!!! Period!

    Jeeeeezzzzzzzz the vicious cycle will keep turning if we don’t nip the cause at the bud, which is SELF-RIGHTEOUS LOSERS WITH GUNS!!!!!! and that boils down to Rabuka, Speight and Bainimarama with guns from the Fiji Military!!!

    Ragone….sa vaka tale na vosa tiko vua e dua na yalowai o ira qo.

  17. February 1, 2009 10:09 AM

    On a side note – SWM – LOVE the new icons!!! Vinaka vaka levu

    Agree with all of the above comments that Vore doesn’t even compare with President Obama. Have no doubt about it, though, Vore intends to declare himself President, probably seconds after Ratu Iloilo passes (although with his absence of cultural skills, he may even do it before). Everything Vore has done since taking power is tantamount to undoing the Magna Carta. He’s trying to become Fiji’s new King. Or is it Fiji’s new Raj?

    God bless Fiji

  18. Kutu permalink
    February 1, 2009 10:26 AM

    @ Ojo

    If Qarase was corrupt, we would vote him out as we did Rabuka and the SVT in 1999

    as the good book says, “you shall know them by their fruit” and we Fijians are not blind nor stupid.

    Give us a break for once, what makes you and your kind in the military and Voreqe apologies mentally better then us and have a right to determine what is good for us or shove it down our throat.

    btw the SDL was not suffocating the nation, it is what the illegal junta is doing right now. Fiji under Qarase was business friendly and it is business and enterpreneurship that are the dynamics that drives the economy and Fiji was posed for a budding IT sector, unprecedented tourism with a mini Gold Coast mushrooming out of the Coral Coast from Namaka to Sigatoka, while the EU was posed to supply $350 million for rehabilitation of the Sugar Industry.

    All this down the drain when Vore and his piglets got on the trough.

  19. OjO permalink
    February 1, 2009 10:40 AM

    Mark Manning:

    You may have misconstrued what was said, for the later I did agree my comments was infact harsh, as for this regime well it’s any body’s guess.

    As I have stated I neither support this regime nor Qarase‘s government but support the great common people of our country.

    As long as there are people at the lower rung of society I am of it and will lend my voice and all my nous to achieve my goal to ensure they get their fair share of the country’s wealth Democracy alone won’t achieve this but will be a starting point.

    Dugong:

    While you claim Mark Manning has done more for Fiji what have you done, as for me metaphorically speaking don’t worry about your father worry about yourself.

  20. Jean d'Ark permalink
    February 1, 2009 11:11 AM

    Isn’t it interesting how Obama/Hillary have opened the doors for liaison with terrorists like Iran and Hamas, but haven’t budged one iota from the Bush line on Fiji!

    Can Barrack & Hillary pick ’em or what?

    Even though many in the Iranian and Hamas leadership are almost implacably angry and ideologically-driven, Obama has at least pegged some as being capable of rational decision-making, and some sort give-and-take.

    Not so Frank, as has been borne out by just about everything that has transpired since Dec 2006! He is a plain thug who is only motivated by the self-interest of staying out of jail and clinging to power. He bent over backwards trying to associate himself with the halo effect of the Obama “change” message last year. But Obama has has seen through him a mile off, and has reacted accordingly! Pity so many in Fiji aren’t as perceptive.

    As an aside, EFT has mentioned Frank was at the barracks on the day of the Forum Leaders meeting, and nowhere near any flood relief work. Well get this – at the actual time of the Leaders meeting, Frank was seen taking his grandchildren to the movies at Village Six. Bet he enjoyed the movie and popcorn even more than they did?

  21. soro permalink
    February 1, 2009 11:58 AM

    And guess what the popcorn, the movie seats and the bociguards seats were all given free from the theatre owner. You can tell him a mile off – he’s the one with the very brown nose.

  22. Peace Pipe permalink
    February 1, 2009 12:07 PM

    Yeah thats exactly what the pig is a first class ass. Listening to him is l ike listening to some dedranged inmate from St Giles. He is indeed a very bad speaker with an awful nasal tone and comparing him to Obama is no comparison at all. It is at the opposite end of the scale. What we are seeing now is that he is letting in his pigs from the barrack to have a feasting on the booty he had acquired from the armed robbery. Its all about the money. Thats what this coup is all about.

    There was this good article by Wadan Narsey on Saturday about the country losing $500 million a year direct due to the coup which no one seem overly concerned about but are alarmed at the flood losses amounting to about $70m. This was what he termed as selective blindness which was mostly attributed to the indos. They did not see the financial disaster

  23. Jean d'Ark permalink
    February 1, 2009 12:36 PM

    OjO

    You gotta be kidding!

    How much of your nous are you using if you can’t think through the basic beginner’s mistakes Frank (and Mahen before him) have made in stuffing up Fiji’s economy?

    Before you can share wealth with people on the bottom rung, you first have to create it!

    How are you going to do that to any significant degree when Wadan Narsey has already shown that the 2006 coup will basically trash $7 billion in lost economic growth over the ten years following it? That’s $7 BILLION! Can you imagine what sort of poverty alleviation you could accomplish with even 10% of that?

    How are you going to get anything done in the nation or the economy without wealth or money? And here’s $7 BILLION of it sent down the drain for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

    Whatever benefits the Charter is alleged to bring, it will not make a lick of difference to the lot of the poor if it can’t generate wealth and money for them. So in terms of poverty alleviation, whatever $ the Charter allocates to the poor will ALWAYS be limited by the amount of $ it can generate for them in the first place! So the Charter must be judged on that, not on some vague feel-good platitudes hastily scrawled on a piece of paper.

    What magic can the Charter conjure up that could replace, AND THEN SURPASS the $7 billion that has already been pissed into the wind by Frank and his troops?

    We’ve already seen Mahen’s hamfisted economic mismanagement, and that ain’t it, Bro. Meanwhile John Samy/Francis Narayan/Parmesh Chand’s 2009 budget that was supposed to save us from Mahen’s blunders is ALREADY dead in the water before its even started (Frank has privately admitted as much). So where are you clowns going to get your voodoo economics fantasy ticket to the “Singapore of the South Pacific”?

    In point of fact, numbers of people below the official poverty line in Fiji have nearly doubled since the 2006 coup! Why is it unremarkable to you OjO when the percentage of people below the poverty line jumps from 25% to almost 50% under Frank/Mahen, but it is an absolute travesty justifying treason when they rose from 20% to 25% under Qarase?

    Why the discrimination? Is poverty somehow less onerous under Frank than it is under Lai? Are peoples’ empty stomachs somehow less empty? Are their empty wallets somehow not as empty? What is the difference? Are you a racist? Or an liar? Or an agent provocateur? What can account for this? If the Charter just puts people to sleep when there is such a dramatic deterioration in the prospects and living standards of the poor, then what good is it?

    If you want to use your nous as you claim, why don’t you start by trying to figure out these questions first?

  24. Mark Manning permalink
    February 1, 2009 2:56 PM

    I think what is lost on many people , is the need to keep money flowing through the economy . Each time it’s spent , the government collects taxes , be it food , school fees , hospitals , the sale of a home and buying a car . The $ gets taxed many times over as it’s spent throughout the community , even on petrol . And the problem with a regime that’s not answerable to the public as a Democratically Elected Government is , is that it’s opened to corruption , because they just won’t investigate themselves , and you only have to look and Francis Keene coming back to his former position and his getting full pay while in jail , Frank getting a house with cash for his daughter and the pay out to himself and his fellow treasonous Officers , and then there’ s Chaudhry’s unpaid tax , and we haven’t even looked at crimes against humanity . Communism has a great scheme like the one you propose OjO , it’s where the state owns everything , but it’s funny how those in charge have defrauded billions of $ from the community and never get caught .
    Frank and his mates are only interested in one thing , themselves , and the recent floods and their lack of interest should be a further indication of that . I do hope that you will take another view and open your mind to the possibility that people around you are tricking you and the ones your refusing to listen to , might just be telling you the truth .

  25. abeche permalink
    February 1, 2009 10:06 PM

    OJO

    “Here is a question I would like to pose to all honest bloggers: How is it each province has $50, 0000 shares as oppose to those elitists having in excess of $100,000 and $200, 0000 respectively?”

    If I remember correctly, each province was given 50,000 shares, free. Alot of the provinces I understand, borrowed from the FDB, using their free shares to leverage their position. Some chose not to but that was their decision.

    Individual Fijians who were in a position to, were able to borrow from the Bank using their equity to leverage their borrowings. Most of them obtained their equity from the FNPF hence those that could come up with $20,000 in equity could borrow $80,000 to purchase 100,000 shares at $1.00 each. With a 20% dividend payout policy that FHL had, and an interest rate of 8% charged by the Bank, it was a no brainer! Those Fijians that took the risk benefitted from it.

    Why is it that people get angry or think that every time they see a Fijian become successful, they assume that he or she is corrupt?

    And OJO I think that you shold stop woorying about the past and concentrate on fixing the economy like Jean d’Ark is hinting at.

  26. Snapper permalink
    February 1, 2009 10:44 PM

    OjO take heed from all the explanation given to you.

    If the illegal govt had a heart like the NGOs, after 2 years at the helm we wouldn’t be discussing all this because 2 years is long enough for them to hold elections.

    If like the NGOs where as the welfare of the people is their first priority these people would not be worse off like they are today.

    OjO you talk about being non political and only care about the people – after the coup and the floods, it was the poor people that got hit the hardest and if it wasn’t for the NGOs I hate to think.

    If it wasn’t for the coup these poor people would have received more from the international communities and worked in with an ELECTED govt.

    Fortunately for Fiji, the NGOs had their heart in the right place and are there for the people you are talking about.

    First things first OjO, and that is respecting the fact that the Qarase Govt was the nation’s elected govt that was ousted by Frank Bainimarama, who since seems have come to enjoy the power and is not willing to relinquish that power.

    That is what all this is about!

    Thanks to NGOs, I think they should be governing the country!

  27. Snapper permalink
    February 1, 2009 11:02 PM

    I agree with Summer Kabakoro ( today’s F/T letters ) not because I am a fan of any politician but respect their efforts in obtaining that power the legal way. I also respect the people of that nation’s choice who voted to put them in.

    I do not respect and oppose any person that decides to take what belongs to the people away from them especially those that use guns to do it.

    American President

    SORRY, Rajend Naidu of Sydney, but America did not get “rid of President George W. Bush because the man had become really bad news for America.”

    Mr Bush left office after serving the maximum two four-year terms as allowed by US law.

    Had America really wanted to get rid of Mr Bush, they would have done so in the 2004 election.

    Mr Bush served his country faithfully and in spite of what the leftist media tried to lead people to believe, is loved by many Americans.

    He did not disgrace the office of the President by getting blowjobs from star-struck interns in the Oval Office, nor did he publicly humiliate his wife or children.

    He did not take office illegally.

    He was not a dictator.

    He did not steal from the public coffer.

    It is understood that individuals may differ on matters of politics but there is no need to bash a man whose only offence was trying to protect the people he served.

    SUMMER KABAKORO
    Idaho
    USA

  28. Colin Bishop permalink
    February 2, 2009 2:00 AM

    The $7 Billion in lost economic activity from the Coup, and I believe this might be a conservative figure, means that every man, woman and child in Fiji has had $800 taken away from their lifestyle. Every villager or cane farmer knows he is worse off than before but probably is unable to put a dollar amount to it.

  29. Snapper permalink
    February 2, 2009 2:17 AM

    Sorry guys off the topic a bit but worth talking about.

    Someone told me to check out the IG Blog I read the first few lines, shook my head and was about to leave it when I decided to read the comments. Skip the ones that was pro IG but came across the only sensible thing on it, which I thought was worth taking notice of.

    “Spoken like true children of dictators.

    Please sensible people read this garbage only once and look away, don’t even waste your time making any comments.

    Allow the children of evil dictators to comment and wallow in their own evilness.

    They have isolated our beautiful country from international communties who are not bullies but there to help us as they have shown in the recent floods.

    So the best thing we good people of Fiji can do is isolate ourselves from them.

    We at least have that right!

  30. Snapper permalink
    February 2, 2009 2:19 AM

    Spoken like true children of dictators.

    Please sensible people read this garbage only once and look away, don’t even waste your time making any comments.

    Allow the children of evil dictators to comment and wallow in their own evilness.

    They have isolated our beautiful country from international communties who are not bullies but there to help us as they have shown in the recent floods.

    So the best thing we good people of Fiji can do is isolate ourselves from them.

    We at least have that right!

  31. Snapper permalink
    February 2, 2009 2:28 AM

    Ooooooooops made a big mistake!

    This was suppose to be added to the above copy and paste job I did when I took a peep at the IG Blog.

    After reading the first two lines I was going to leave it but then decided to read the comments. Skipping the Pro IG ones I picked up the above one which was the only sensible thing there.

  32. IslandBoy permalink
    February 2, 2009 4:19 AM

    @Colin Bishop – Is the loss of $800 per individual calculated on a pro rata basis based on the latest population census or the household income and expenditure survey.

    I am curious to know how you arrived at the figure.

    What I think is just as valid a point to consider is that the net effect of the loss, whatever the figure and basis of calculation, will have a much deeper and more detrimental effect on those at lower income levels.

    This is not to belittle the effect on the well to do, but for me and the communities I am involved in, the loss of income and the loss of opportunity is not only more detrimental but is longer-lasting and just about destroys any real chace at recovery.

  33. Colin Bishop permalink
    February 2, 2009 5:41 AM

    My apologies to all the above post should read $8000 per person not $800.

    @IB. Thanks for spotting it.

  34. Mark Manning permalink
    February 2, 2009 6:00 AM

    The people waiting to be recruited to the British Army must be a little upset with Frank and Co. right now :-
    http://www.fijitimes.com/story.aspx?id=113441

  35. IslandBoy permalink
    February 2, 2009 6:41 AM

    @Colin Bishop – No biggie, I just assumed it was a typo, however the point I am reiterating is that the effects of the loss is much worse on those at or below the poverty line.

    Never in the running for MENSA membership, I am unable to get my head around the fact that someone who was barely earning FJ$3,500 p.a. (the lucky ones) has just lost about $8,000 of that.

    I don’t know how we arrive at negative nothing, but I can tell you that after the floods, I know what it looks like visually.

    And to think, we once were considered the islands of sunshine and song!

  36. Colin Bishop permalink
    February 2, 2009 7:55 AM

    For those below the poverty line it is the loss of “lifestyle advantage” that are in hidden assets like the standard of free medical services, monies available to NGOs for basic assistance and the loss of chances of employment.

    Typing this I know it sounds like crap when I am looking at photos sent to me of the village of two of my staff. It looks similar to what I saw in Vietman as a young soldier. I have happy memories of spending nights and drinking grog in what now looks like a war zone. I have arranged for alternate accommodation for the two families and have allowed them to charge the materials to rebuild against the Company. The additional loss in this years books will be insignificant.
    Does anyone else in Fiji notice FIRCA is now operating like a demented fox terrier and questioning every nitpicking item at nauseum?

  37. Mark Manning permalink
    February 2, 2009 9:26 AM

    does anyone know where drop off points in sydney are for items to fiji ?

  38. Mark Manning permalink
    February 2, 2009 9:26 AM

    for the flood victims etc.

  39. Admin2 permalink
    February 3, 2009 1:51 AM

    Morning Mark

    Managed to get some names and numbers for you to drop off those items.

    Dennis – 04 14437682

    Raj – 04 05598225

    Unsure whether they are still collecting?

  40. Mark Manning permalink
    February 3, 2009 8:37 AM

    thanks admin2.

  41. Keep The Faith permalink
    February 3, 2009 10:42 AM

    Yes Colin and that is to be expected. Even if the tax threshold has increased to 15K I don’t think anyone will be getting tax returns this year. Correction anyone APART from those who through Frank have first dibs at the trough.

    There’s just no money I suppose.

  42. Frida permalink
    February 5, 2009 7:47 AM

    KTF – that is exactly what i am thinking about since the new year as I know some couples look forward to their return to pay off school fees, and provide ssome new things for their children and family. With the way this illegal lot are behaving, we will soon find ourselves in a bottomless hole that even the US$100,000.00 offered by India for the flood relief will not even make a slight dent to the problems at hand.

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